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I know there are a million posts like this but I had to tell someone and the wife isn't interested!
Simon did my 535d today and what can I say - well not alot other than WOW!
The car is transformed and I really mean that. Here are the differences I have noticed:
At low throttle the car moves off quicker, throttle feels more sensitive and it feels smoother. The smoothness I think is a result of me using less revs to make progress, as it has more torque now I give it less throttle to move off.
At medium throttle , the car pulls much harder and a medium dab of the throttle doesn't result in a downchange as it used because there is clearly more torque - whatever gear it is in it is able to just give you more.
At WOT, even when not in sport, it is an absolute monster, it just keeps pulling really hard, so much so that I can feel the nose of the car pitching upwards. It also has continued pull right through the rev range and therefore changes up later, It only used to hold the gears this long in sport mode but not its like sport mode is activated by just using WOT, as if the car realises now that WOT means "I want power" but medium throttle means "give me power, but I still want some economy" - very clever!
I would never have thought that a diesel could feel like this - relentless power from 1k right through to 5k!
I have only done 6 miles since getting so can't say about mpg but I have noticed I am lighter on the throttle to get "normal" speeds so I expect better mpg too.
I was also pleased when Simon explained that remap doesn't increase boost pressure - it remains at 2 bar which he feels is high enough and the increased power/torque comes from adjusting other parameters. Its good to know that it is not just upping boost (which would be the easy way to make big gains).
This is the second car Simon has done for me and he is as great as everyone says he is. I know you are reading this Simon so I want to say a big thank you  |
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Sounds awesome If only a 735d existed lol I may have mine re-mapped some point in near future Simon is top glad you like your map amazing car to map Enjoy!!  |
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| and now as you have owned both - compared to the M3? |
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| and now as you have owned both - compared to the M3? |
when I find an open road I will have a better idea , but initially Its obvious that 5 has more torque but thw m3 has more bhp. The 5 is now faster in gear for certain as in anytime you want to shoot off just sink your foot and it's there. If you caught an m3 by surprise you'd be gone before he got into his powerband however I still reckon that driven well my old m3 would be fAster and certainly once you put acorner in it's way.
It's a big but though because we all know in real world driving most competitions between cars favour what the 5 is food at - overtaking and other in geAr challenges, so in that sense the 5 has the upper hand. Put them on a track however and the M would be ahead I think.
In terms of feel, the m makes your neck snap on gear changes whereas the 5 pushes it back and keeps it there - this is the best example of the different characters they have - the m is aggressive and violent with it, you can feel the power come in as revs climb then drop off when you change gear for a split second then come back in again, whereas the 5 is civilized and constant yet very strong. |
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Power should now be very similar though isn't it about 334BHp generally I thought vs what 343?
Obviously heavier car thought but the torque should drive through a lot of that.
I just remember the M3 boys are very protective of their performance that was all.
I also found my DMS'd one would give the RS4s a good hounding |
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Power should now be very similar though isn't it about 334BHp generally I thought vs what 343?
Obviously heavier car thought but the torque should drive through a lot of that.
I just remember the M3 boys are very protective of their performance that was all.
I also found my DMS'd one would give the RS4s a good hounding |
The figures you quote are about right, however you never know how an individual car will react - some go over some fall under. I always tell myself I have one of the unlucky cars that go under - that way an RR would never disappoint me. In truth you just never know - all I know, it is a different car, the power is just ready and easier to access now. It could give an M3 a run for its money but as I said, only on a track could you ever prove which is the out and out fastest in all terms because there is no road where such a contest would be safe or legal.
I also agree about M3 owners, but having been one I think I am 'allowed' to give an honest opinion. It is very early though - every time I have had a car remapped the ECU has needed to adjust before full performance was given so I will update back here in a few hundred miles. |
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| mobilejo wrote: |
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Power should now be very similar though isn't it about 334BHp generally I thought vs what 343?
Obviously heavier car thought but the torque should drive through a lot of that.
I just remember the M3 boys are very protective of their performance that was all.
I also found my DMS'd one would give the RS4s a good hounding |
The figures you quote are about right, however you never know how an individual car will react - some go over some fall under. I always tell myself I have one of the unlucky cars that go under - that way an RR would never disappoint me. In truth you just never know - all I know, it is a different car, the power is just ready and easier to access now. It could give an M3 a run for its money but as I said, only on a track could you ever prove which is the out and out fastest in all terms because there is no road where such a contest would be safe or legal.
I also agree about M3 owners, but having been one I think I am 'allowed' to give an honest opinion. It is very early though - every time I have had a car remapped the ECU has needed to adjust before full performance was given so I will update back here in a few hundred miles. |
Agreed on all counts and that is why I asked you !
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| I think thats a very fair comparison. In an out and out drag race the M3 is quicker (the 0-60 and 100 times show this) but the M3 has to be driven very well and hard to achieve 100% of its performance. The big d will be much easier to make perform hence real world performance is very close with the mapped d edging ahead slightly in most encounters. |
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Not exactly the point in question but:
1) Following Doogie, the 130i can't hold him if he floors it
2) My 535d e61 was posting the same best times as e39 M5s for the quarter mile at the 'Pod.
Martin Brundle (who owned both) said the 535d was quicker on the road than an M5; "would be gone before the M5 got into the right gear and its power band"
They are an AWESOME road car but the gearbox (pre LCI anyway) spoils it completely for the track - imo. |
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They are an AWESOME road car but the gearbox (pre LCI anyway) spoils it completely for the track - imo. |
I totally agree - I couldn't see it being much use on a track, not without doing the paddle shift conversion and using manual mode. But I found the M3 to be an opposite, made for the track and of less benefit on the road.
I have never, and probably never will, tracked my own cars though. I would track someone else' though  |
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I have never, and probably never will, tracked my own cars though. I would track someone else' though  |
I think mine is primarily for the track and secondarily to do 20k miles a year on the road We took the 325d for 2 track days and the instructors were amazed at how well it went (cos they both had a few laps driving it) Yours would be awesome  |
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| mobilejo wrote: |
This is the second car Simon has done for me and he is as great as everyone says he is. I know you are reading this Simon so I want to say a big thank you  |
Glad you are happy and thanks the feedback
Its always good to read posts like this, puts a smile on my face  |
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I have never, and probably never will, tracked my own cars though. I would track someone else' though  |
I think mine is primarily for the track and secondarily to do 20k miles a year on the road We took the 325d for 2 track days and the instructors were amazed at how well it went (cos they both had a few laps driving it) Yours would be awesome  |
I would love to drive an M3 on the track, an e46 more so than the e90 - the e46 is just a perfect track tool!
The reason why I wouldn't track my own is because i'm scared i'd crash it  |
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| mobilejo wrote: |
This is the second car Simon has done for me and he is as great as everyone says he is. I know you are reading this Simon so I want to say a big thank you  |
Glad you are happy and thanks the feedback
Its always good to read posts like this, puts a smile on my face  |
I knew you would pop up sooner or later , I was gonna send you an email but I thought the more people I can say this to the better! |
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| mobilejo wrote: |
| I couldn't see it being much use on a track, not without doing the paddle shift conversion... |
Even doing that doesn't help much as the gearbox software overrides the manual selections. You can actually drive the car in manual without touching the gearstick at all - try it. A BMW Tech told me that they weren't going to allow anything to hurt their precious engine...
There's a guy who regularly tracks an LCI 530d touring (factory standard) and he loves it, he's not slow either. The LCI gearbox is in a differenet league though. |
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