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Postby 320de46m47 » Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:02:35 UTC

I have a Tom Tom which I'm happy with so I am not particularly intersted in the BMW satnav. HOWEVER, last night I bought a satnav 16:9 LCD TV Nav Boardmonitor on fleabay as it was only £107 and i know they can sell for a lot more...thinking if i dont get anywhere i can bung it back on ebay. so now my next tentative project is unfolding ( i suspect the cost will be prohibitive) but what do i need to just make the tv function work.. i've read lots about the vav install but what if i can be happy with just tv maybe cassette and radio also...i dunno.

specifically ...do i need a loom of some description?
do i need the b54 radiotuner?
the tv tuner?
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Postby ccfj1 » Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:23:37 UTC

Hi Simon,

You've done well with the monitor, very cheap.

Heres a break down of whats needed

Headunit, either 16:9 or 4:3. (£400 - £100 - ebay) (you have one now).

Radio module bm54. (£150 - £300 - ebay)
Satnav computer either mk3 or mk4. (£100 - £350 - ebay)
Aircon relocation panel. (£30 - dealer)
Satnav loom. (£120- dealer)
Gps antenna (£5 -£20 ebay).
TV Tuner (£100-£300 - ebay)

For all this expect to pay, £400 - £1000 depending on spec and date of manufacture (newer the better/more expensive).

You don’t have to have the TV tuner, however, the TV tuner is the backup screen driver for the Monitor, so if the sat nav fails you have something on screen to fault find with.

The absolute minimum is the loom, monitor, radio, gps antenna, relocation panel and the santnav computer OR the TV module.

There have been quite a few on here who have done the retrofit, and while its not hard, it is time consuming and requires you to be methodical.

In addition to the above useful information, you can also download the official retrofit guide from the following link:

http://www.stradasystems.com/bmw/naviga ... tSedan.pdf

You can also check the following sites for additional guide:

http://www.wicksta.com/bmw/satnavinstall/index.htm

http://www.stakesuk.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/retro.htm

If you do go down this route , get the retrofit lead fom the dealers, as it will be the correct on for you car.

hope this helps.
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Postby 320de46m47 » Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:00:16 UTC

John

To the rescue yet again!!

Do you have part numbers for those bits and bobs?

Simon
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Postby 320de46m47 » Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:03:46 UTC

is the gps antenna not the same as the one for the bluetooth?
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Postby ccfj1 » Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:21:35 UTC

There are loads of different part numbers for each of the parts, its a bit of a nightmare.

Have a look at the realoem web site, this will give you a few clues, you should be able to plug and play most of the parts, BM54, MK3 or MK4, any GPS antenna with an smb connector will work, (£5, as opposed to bmw's £79).

Get the loom and the AC relocation panel from BMW (they are cheaper than ebay and will be the correct for your car).

Don't be tempted to get the rover counter parts, they are locked to rovers software (they work, but can't be upgraded).

BM54
http://tinyurl.com/3xwywr

TV tuner
http://tinyurl.com/36avev

MK3
http://tinyurl.com/3x8blk

MK4
http://tinyurl.com/2tup72

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Postby ccfj1 » Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:26:41 UTC

320de46m47 wrote:is the gps antenna not the same as the one for the bluetooth?


No mate, GPS antenna is for the navigation system and BT antenna for phone.
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Postby 320de46m47 » Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:30:41 UTC

do you know the loom and antenna numbers for a touring e46 John?
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Postby ccfj1 » Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:52:50 UTC

320de46m47 wrote:do you know the loom and


Best to get the number from the dealer as there are several, depending on car, body type and spec.

Found this (but please check at the dealer)

61 12 0 309 250 - E46 Retrofit Navigation Harness with a BM54 Radio connector.

antenna numbers for a touring e46


Any SMB GPS antenna will do, this one for example.

http://tinyurl.com/2o4mfs

I've found some part numbers for the other stuff (but confirm it at the dealers before you go out and buy)

T.V. tuner unit = part - 6-924-749
BMW Mk4 computer - p/n 6590 9 115 033-01
Navigation computer mounting bracket - p/n 65.90-8 370 933
16:9 monitor (tape deck unit) - p/n 65-52-6 934 409
Amended dashboard centre console - p/n 54 16 8 230 903 (this could be RHD)

Here is the OEM retrofit guide

http://www.channelmotors.co.uk/tom/navi ... tSedan.pdf

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Postby 320de46m47 » Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:12:14 UTC

John..THANK YOU again!
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Postby 320de46m47 » Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:33:26 UTC

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Postby evidentside » Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:10:43 UTC

can you use the BM24 instead of the BM54? What's the difference?

This is so bloody confusing.
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Postby ccfj1 » Fri, 04 Apr 2008 09:35:38 UTC

The BM24 is the older version of the BM54 and has the older 17 round pin connector block on the back, the BM54 has the 40 flat pin quadlock on the back and this is the type that is used on the retrofit loom.

There are a few other differences, the newer BM54 has dual tuners and some have the AUX input as well, some also have ID3 tag processing, I believe that the BM54 has built in hardware/software to assist the Navs dynamic routing etc, the older units are limited.

Other may be able to shed a bit more like.

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Postby 320de46m47 » Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:42:07 UTC

can you tell them apart visibly?
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Postby ccfj1 » Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:47:58 UTC

Yes, the connector blocks look like this

BM54
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BM24
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There are a few cases where the BM54 has the 17 round pin connector block so always check the part number against realoem
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Postby 320de46m47 » Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:12:20 UTC

and from the front?
reason i ask is you sometimes find somone selling one on ebay who doesnt really know what hes got and gives one photo (of front) and no description! in which case possibly cheap! ;)
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Postby ccfj1 » Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:26:44 UTC

There is no front, its a steel box, with only the black connector block.

These are for cars that have satnav and they link to the monitor and you control the radio via the screen (thats why you need either a nav computer or tv module), as they have the screen driver.

Ask the seller to take a picture of the connector block or the sticker on top and it will say either BM24 or BM54.
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Postby 320de46m47 » Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:30:44 UTC

oh sorry whoops i thought they looked like this..
http://i11.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/e6/58/5330_2.JPG
what's this called then?
really demonstarting my total ignorance here!
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Postby 320de46m47 » Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:32:54 UTC

so i get it ...this is the computer
thats the radio module
how do i tell mk 3 from mk 4 visually?
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Postby foe » Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:46:48 UTC

Mk4 will have the DVD logo in the middle.

This might be of help (has photos and part nos etc):

Nav Computer PDF guide

from the bimmernav forum
found it via X5world forum
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Postby ccfj1 » Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:29:32 UTC

Radio module and Nav computer are two of the boxes need for the install, You should be able to pick up a MK3 for around the £80 mark (and at that price a bargain), the mark 4 is better but 3 to 4 times price.

Foe is correct the MK4 and the MK3 look identical, but the MK4 has dvd written on the front.

Don't bother with a MK1 or MK2.
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