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Postby mrklaw » Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:14:17 UTC

possibly looking at a used 3-series coupe (although they're a little new at the moment so I'd prefer prices to drop a little)

can someone summarise the difference between the standard SE and the M-sport? Looking on autotrader the cosmetic differences look very subtle at the front (slightly wider front dam, thats about it)

any other differences that make it worth seeking out over the more readily available SEs?

also, whats your opinion of the sweet spot of price/performance? I've previously had an E46 330Ci and currently drive an E46 M3 but don't know if I get on with it - and the wifes not a fan.
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Postby fz0rb4 » Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:51:28 UTC

If you are taking about the E9* series then I have test driven both the coupe and the saloon - 320d sport. I went for then saloon as it was more practical.
What I did notice is that the coupe seemed to handle better and for some reason had more power – maybe something to do with having less weight as there are only 2 doors.
The price was something else that made me go for the saloon . Around a 3K differnce.
However as far as the interior is concerned the coupe is far better and feels like it has loads more room in the front and the bigger windscreen gives the impression of more room, but the back is a little cramped .
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Postby mrklaw » Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:54:17 UTC

cheers. Personally I'm a fan of coupes (at least thats the phase I'm going through at the moment). I have 2 kids but my car isn't the main taxi ( thats the wife's focus) so its a good trade-off. I will need to sit in the back of one to see if there is too little room, although I expect it to compare well with my E46s

how did you find the 320d? I'm always a little worried about power - had a 225hp scooby, then a 231hp 330ci, then a 343hp M3. But having recently driven a 118i courtesy car it was surprisingly pokey, so perhaps I'm unnecessarily obsessed with HP? Is the 320 pretty nippy?
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Postby E39mad » Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:59:13 UTC

fz0rb4 if you drove a 320d saloon against a coupe it was likely that the saloon had 163 bhp against the coupes 177hp so it would feel faster.

mrklaw - the E92 is much bigger inside than E46 coupe. I would just be able to sit behind me in the new car but definately not in the old and I am average Joe at 6ft tall.

The sport has lowered and stiffened suspension, sports seats, high gloss shadowline (black window surrounds) and bodykit plus unique 18" M Sport wheels (nicer looking 19" options).

Have to agree that a well speced SE does not look that much different but I would always go for the M Sport even with the lack of paint options unless you spent £££sss and go "individual"!
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Postby Dodsy » Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:15:16 UTC

The SE comes with sports suspension and sports seats.

The differences are cosmetic with different bumpers and sill covers (bodykit), high gloss shadow line as well as the different wheels.

It just looks more agrressive, the nuts and bolts are all the same.
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Postby E39mad » Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:27:32 UTC

Dodsy - sports suspension and seats are only std on the 335d and 335i not the rest of the range. Quite noticable when someone specs say 325i with 18" or 19" wheels but not sports suspension as the gap to wheel arch looks too big
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Postby mrklaw » Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:44:16 UTC

thanks. Its just that if I did swap over, the cost to change would have to be close to zero, which would likely limit my options, and SEs would be cheaper (and more plentiful) than M-sport models. Agree that Msport do look nicer, and I do prefer sport seats.

Assuming same cost, would you pick a 325i m-sport, or a 330i SE?
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Postby Tek330ci » Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:19:46 UTC

I would keep the M3 it looks so much better! And the M3 is special, it gets you respec. Where as an E92 coupe is just another BMW on the road.

My girlfriend says when she sees a BMW she thinks 'sales rep' or 'a mom on a school run'. :)
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Postby mrklaw » Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:23:53 UTC

except I'm getting that feeling I got when I had my scooby. I'm not really able to make themost of the car on our UK roads, and I don't have time/money to do trackdays etc (have young kids). Maybe when i'm older I'll have more time/money to do that sort of thing, but it feels like I'm wasting the potential at themoment.

In some ways its less drivable than my old 330Ci day to day. It hops down the road on a cold day, and you don't really get the punch until you rev it quite a bit, which you don't often do on the daily commute. Whereas my 330Ci wafted you along effortlessly, but could still pull when you wanted it too.

still in two minds, but i'm going to take a test drive in the E9* coupe to see how I like it at least. Hey, I might hate it :D

I also need to make sure I can fit two child seats in the back - that centre console looks pretty big.
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Postby E39mad » Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:27:29 UTC

"Assuming same cost, would you pick a 325i m-sport, or a 330i SE?"

M Sport - only a tad slower and easier to sell on eventually.

Have to disagree with the comment about the E92 coupe being just another BMW reps car - IMO it is the best looking current model on the road irrespective of trim. I thought reps drove 320D ES 4 door saloon models (sorry no offence to owners)
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Postby Dodsy » Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:28:50 UTC

E39mad wrote:Dodsy - sports suspension and seats are only std on the 335d and 335i not the rest of the range. Quite noticable when someone specs say 325i with 18" or 19" wheels but not sports suspension as the gap to wheel arch looks too big



Ahh, fair enough, mine came with sports setup so I assume they all did.
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Postby 330cdsport » Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:21:37 UTC

mrklaw wrote:except I'm getting that feeling I got when I had my scooby. I'm not really able to make themost of the car on our UK roads, and I don't have time/money to do trackdays etc (have young kids). Maybe when i'm older I'll have more time/money to do that sort of thing, but it feels like I'm wasting the potential at themoment.

In some ways its less drivable than my old 330Ci day to day. It hops down the road on a cold day, and you don't really get the punch until you rev it quite a bit, which you don't often do on the daily commute. Whereas my 330Ci wafted you along effortlessly, but could still pull when you wanted it too.

still in two minds, but i'm going to take a test drive in the E9* coupe to see how I like it at least. Hey, I might hate it :D

I also need to make sure I can fit two child seats in the back - that centre console looks pretty big.


Hi there, I have the 335d M Sport and can confirm that it will hold two child seats no probs. I have one child seat in the back at times and it does not even overlap onto the central console. The isofix works a treat for me in both the front and back of the car.

The additions that you get with the M Sport is:

M Sport Suspension (compared to sport or standard suspension)
Sport Seats (much better than flat standard seats)
Front and Rear Sport bumpers
Side Skirts
Hi-gloss shadowline
black headlining
M Steering wheel (thicker and softer)
M Gear know (shorter)
M door sills
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Postby mrklaw » Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:44:20 UTC

thanks everyone.

Last question - is this all a hiding to nothing? Is it even possible to do a 'no cost to change' (or nearly no cost)? to an M-sport auto coupe?

I have an 03 M3 coupe with all the trimmings (SMG, 19", satnav, TV, Harmon kardon, heated seats). Paid £25.5k for it in June with 2 years gap and 2 years tyre insurance, plus it has 12 months AUC warranty and new discs/pads all round.

Assuming I use a BMW dealer (thinking of Sytner), how much (ballpark) do you think I'd be looking at to change to, say a decent spec 325i Msport, or even a 320i Msport?
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Postby jade » Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:59:38 UTC

Very pleased with mine.......drives lovely and qick to..... i,ve also had an e46 m3 and not disapointed with this car.....


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Postby sonnyb » Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:21:28 UTC

I have a recently purchased very humble E46 318CI M Sport Coupe which I find to be quite adequately powered. I chose the smaller engine because of smaller servicing and insurance costs and also because this particular car was loaded with extras in addition to the full M spec, ie full leather, electric sunroof, 6 cd changer, rain sensor, headlamp washers, Harman/Kardon upgrade, 18" wheels and only 17,000 miles on an 04 plate.

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Postby mrklaw » Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:54:06 UTC

Just come back from the dealer. Had a drive in an 07 325Ci SE auto. Very nice. Same smooth drive I remember from my 330Ci, tiptronic was a little faster than I remember. Nice to tootle around in drive mode, sport drive a little more fun, then tiptronic to hold gear a little longer to get the engine revving.

so I like it, but want to know what to do next and would appreciate your advice.

Sticker price was £28.5k. 07 (june) 5k miles demonstrator. heated seats, bluetooth and 19" alloys. So an 'ok' spec.

unfortunately they only offered me £18.5k for my E46 M3. June 03, 46k miles, 19", SMG, HK hifi, satnav+TV, 6 cd changer, heated seats, folding mirrors. good nick. That hurt after only buying it in June for £25k :shock:

Even if I bump them up to 20k for my car, thats still over 8k to change. I'd hoped it'd have been closer to 5.

then the lady suggested PCP. I'd never considered it before, but as I do tend to change my cars often, I sat down with the finance guy to go over the figures.

With a 10% deposit (3k), he quoted £700pm over 24 months, for 12000 mile per year. guaranteed future value of £17k.

Now what confused me is that if the guaranteed future value is 17k, and the price after deposit is 25k, aren't I only financing 8k? So how do they work out that to be 700pm!?



so as I can see it, I have three options and would appreciate your thoughts:

1) buy the 325i and finance the 8k difference privately (eg unsecured loan). Pro - in a couple of years if I change the car, I'll have the full 17-20k future value to trade against another car. So in theory if I change every two years for a similarly priced car I'll end up financing about 8k continuously (whats that, about £350 pm?). so £350 continuously and I always have about £17k's worth of equity.

2) buy the 325i on PCP and use the trade-in to pay the cost for the first two years. pro - zero cost to me for the next two years (asusming I use the £16k from the M3 to pay the PCP), but then when I change I have to come up with £700pm. So no cost for the first two years, but then £700pm plus I have no equity really

3) keep the M3. But then in less than a year it'll cost me an arm and a leg for an inspection II, plus it'll continue to depreciate.


thoughts? is a PCP a good option if I tend to change cars regularly? Is that BMW select scheme particularly bad - other options?
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Look for the magic words - APR

Postby zoophoria » Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:18:29 UTC

I've ordered a new 325 M Sport Coupe. The Finance guy has gone through all the numbers and was going through the PCP option. Even with the PCP option you are in effect taking out a loan - in which case the APR rate is important - I think the quote I had was listed as 9.4%

Yes you can change cars but check the T+C's - what happens if you go over the mileage, has a scratch, scuffed wheel etc.

I wasn't particularly interested in a PCP as my mileage might be above average, however for my wife's car it might work better

Just got a week to go till pick up day (hopefully)... the car's is in the country apparantly!! :D
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